Thermal conductivity calculation of light atom containing compounds

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Thermal conductivity calculation of light atom containing compounds

#1 Post by tanmoy_paul » Wed Apr 16, 2025 1:29 pm

I’m trying to calculate the thermal conductivity of a crystal structure containing light atoms like lithium. I have a well-trained force field and plan to use it for large-scale simulations. Initially, I’d like to confirm—can I reliably obtain the correct thermal conductivity for such a system using this approach?

Also, I need the thermal conductivity in units of W/(m·K). Could someone clarify the units of the heat flux (in all three directions) provided in the ML_HEAT file?


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#2 Post by michael_wolloch » Thu Apr 17, 2025 8:31 am

Dear Paul Tanmoy,

The units of the flux in the ML_HEAT file are (eV A)/fs. I have updated the wiki page to reflect that.

Often, the convergence of Green-Kubo is slow with respect to simulation length, box size, etc. Some tips and tricks are shared in this forum post:
heat flow and thermal conductivity.

Light elements in your system will also make a small timestep (POTIM) necessary. For Hydrogen, that would be around 0.25 - 0.5, for Lithium, you have to do your own testing.

It might be better to use the Müller-Plathe method, which has been available in VASP since version 6.5.0. However, the Green-Kubo method should, in principle, work if your force field is accurate enough and you carefully converge.

I hope you understand that I cannot guarantee that you will achieve the "correct results", especially without knowing more about your material and simulation setup.

All the best, Michael


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Re: Thermal conductivity calculation of light atom containing compounds

#3 Post by tanmoy_paul » Fri Apr 18, 2025 5:30 pm

Respected Michael,

Thank you for your insightful response. I have figured out the unit conversion part for thermal conductivity calculation. Currently I am using Green-Kubo formalism and performing long NVE simulation with Noose-Hover thermostat of a snapshot picking randomly from NVT simulation of my structure. I have attached the plots of heat flux autocorrelation and thermal conductivity, from this thermal conductivity plot can I say that it's heading to a converged value? and to finalize the value of my system's thermal conductivity how many snapshots should I consider for NVE simulation?

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Re: Thermal conductivity calculation of light atom containing compounds

#4 Post by michael_wolloch » Tue Apr 22, 2025 2:14 pm

Dear Tanmoy,

I showed your graphs to a colleague who is more experienced with heat transport calculations, and he thinks your data looks good and your Green-Kubo integral should converge. He also gave a few helpful pointers that I am relaying here:

  • You should average your results over several MD NVE trajectories.

  • Compute both the Green-Kubo integral average and its variance. If the variance is not sufficiently small compared to the average value, add more trajectories until it is.

  • Stefano Baroni has thought deeply about Green-Kubo integrals, their convergence, and heat transport. He also wrote two software packages you could check out: QHeat and Sportran.

Please let me know if you need further support, or if this answers your questions, so I know if I should lock the thread.
Cheers, Michael


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#5 Post by tanmoy_paul » Tue Apr 22, 2025 9:19 pm

Dear Michael,

Thank you again for your confirmation regarding my result. I am planning to average 5-10 independent NVE trajectory results (snapshots of NVT 300K MD run) and for each trajectory ,suppose my simulation runs upto 250 ps, I am averaging last 1000 steps thermal conductivity value of each NVE simulation. And I am aware about Stefano Baroni's works, in future I have plan to use the SPORTRAN code.

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Tanmoy


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#6 Post by michael_wolloch » Wed Apr 23, 2025 8:15 am

Dear Tanmoy,

Great that you are familiar with Baroni's work. I cannot really see another question in your last post. Are there any open technical issues you would like to discuss?

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Re: Thermal conductivity calculation of light atom containing compounds

#7 Post by tanmoy_paul » Wed Apr 23, 2025 10:44 am

Dear Michael,

No, thank you I don't have any query based on this topic. I have a separate technical issue regarding Wannier90, for that I will open a separate question. For now, you can lock this conversation.

Thanks again,
Tanmoy


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